The debate amongst marxist feminists and socialist feminists about sex and class—that is, about the relationship between gender ideology and the material basis of women’s oppression and whether patriarchal structures exist independently from those of capitalism—is presently being pursued in two journals, New Left Review and Studies in Political Economy.footnote1 All the participants agree that women’s subordination preceded capitalism and none explicitly espouses a dual systems approach, although it is the contention of Brenner and Ramas in New Left Review and of Pat and Hugh Armstrong in Studies in Political Economy that Michèle Barrett has in fact fallen into this trap. The major departure in the work of Brenner and Ramas and the Armstrongs to identify the material basis of women’s oppression lies in their attempts to theorize the biological component of sexual difference. Like Michèle Barrett (in her response to Brenner and Ramas) I am not wholly convinced by the attempt. If, as Barrett says, feminists have been ‘squeamish’ in the face of biologyfootnote2 it is largely because of the difficulty they experience in skirting the mine-field of biological determinism. The arguments of these authors do little to reassure. Both sets of authors use women’s reproductive capacities to explain sexual divisions under capitalism. The Armstrongs argue that capitalism is ‘premised on free wage labour and on the separation of most aspects of workers’ reproduction from the productive process’,footnote3 and Brenner and Ramas that it was ‘likely if not inevitable’ (p. 48) that in the harsh circumstances of the nineteenth century women would take responsibility for children and domestic labour. Biology thus appears less and less the merely limiting factor the Armstrongs would have it be.

It appears to me that the approach of both Brenner and Ramas and the Armstrongs is not as productive as it might be. For as they all agree, irrespective of patriarchy’s origins, it is now part of the same system as capitalism. The Armstrongs suggest: ‘Women are simultaneously subject to capitalism, male dominance and their bodies. To pose the question in the form of alternatives is like asking whether ideas or material conditions structure women’s subordination. They are inseparable. They act together. Patriarchy and capitalism are not autonomous, nor even interconnected systems, but the same system. As integrated forms they must be examined together.’footnote4

And Barrett has written in her nlr response: ‘So we cannot counterpose ideology on the one hand and women’s economic situation on the other, because to do so is to ignore the degree to which the two are analytically related.’footnote5 This suggests to me, and I think the historical evidence supports it, that the main project at this stage must be to explore further the complex dynamic of the relationship between gender ideology and class. However, Pat and Hugh Armstrong have signalled their impatience with this approach when in their latest contribution they express dissatisfaction with Barrett’s idea of gender ideology as ‘a pre-capitalist vestige taken over and shaped as capitalism developed historically in various social formations’, and ask ‘when if at all, a more general explanation will emerge. Will it only be when in positivistic fashion enough bits of historical evidence have been accumulated?’footnote6 I accept that historical evidence is not necessarily binding because of its partial nature, but both Brenner and Ramas and the Armstrongs do take history seriously and in the case of the former have chosen to construct their argument firmly on the basis of empirical historical evidence.

I would maintain that it is difficult to see how much more progress can be made in building theory without a more rigorous attention to the historical evidence that is being used. In particular, enough work has been done, chiefly by socialist feminist historians, to indicate that the structure of Brenner and Ramas’ argument cannot adequately be supported, and I hope to demonstrate that the development of a materialist theory of gender ideology can proceed only after some modifications to their interpretation. In what follows I shall take in their original order Brenner and Ramas’ three areas of discussion: the role of trade unions and protective legislation in the formation of the family-household system; the importance of biological reproduction in explaining women’s position in family and workplace; and women and the welfare state.

Brenner and Ramas start their argument by accepting the importance of the family-household system for our understanding of the sexual division of labour, but they reject the idea that its emergence can be explained in terms of the introduction of protective legislation and trade union exclusive practices which, in their reading of Barrett, account for women’s precarious place in production and hence their dependence on men and their domestic role in the family. Almost certainly, protective legislation as an explanatory variable will not bear the weight of this argument, but it is difficult to see that Brenner and Ramas’ reading of Barrett is correct. In Women’s Oppression Today, protective legislation is treated as one of many strategies pursued by the labour movement in bargaining with capital. There is undoubtedly room for further research on its effects, particularly in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The old account by Hutchins and Harrison, which Brenner and Ramas rely on, is undoubtedly the most exhaustive we have, but we need to be aware that its interpretation is Fabian and that in its day it was very much a part of the contemporary debate between liberal and socialist feminists over the issue.footnote7 The role of male trade unionists, however, is more difficult to assess. Brenner and Ramas contend that, ‘it is entirely unnecessary to resort to ideology to explain why trade unions were particularly adamant in their opposition to female entry into their trades’ (p. 45). Of course, male unionists were right to fear that women would undercut their wages. The Women’s Protective and Provident League, formed in 1874, was also aware of this problem, and thus when three women mule spinners were introduced at Lostock Mill on women’s rates of pay, and the mule spinners stopped taking women piecers as a result, the League took no action.footnote8 But unions were very slow to move away from a policy of exclusion towards one of organizing women workers. The statement of the traditional, liberal, craft trade unionist, Henry Broadhurst, to the tuc in 1877 that male unionists should use their ‘utmost efforts to bring about a conduct of things where their wives should be in their proper place at home’footnote9 is well known. But there is also Tom Mann’s statement, as an organizer of semi-skilled and unskilled workers, to the Royal Commission on Labour that he was ‘very loth to see mothers of families working in factories at all’, adding that he considered, ‘their employment has nearly always a prejudicial effect on the wages of the male worker.’footnote10 Here a clear ideology of women’s proper place and the fear of female competition are to be seen reinforcing one another, which suggests that an analysis of the production and dynamics of gender ideology (missing from Barrett’s work, as Brenner and Ramas point out) is crucial.